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    I wasn't going to comment in this thread, but my name was invoked:

    Again, I take Andrew Stacey's stance (from another thread)and recommend tolerance.

    If you truly wish to take my stance here then the recommended course of action is actually tolerance of sigfpe's attitude even though one might think it bizarre and an over-reaction. The tolerance that I commend is not that which says, "Let's agree to disagree" or "Everyone's point of view is equally valid" but rather than which says, "I think that X is right, you think that Y is right. I shall act in accordance with my views, but knowing that you think otherwise I shall do my best to act in such a way that I do not cause unnecessary offence.". Thus, to take the matter in hand, if I am offended by something then I do not hide that fact, but my reaction to it is tempered by the fact that I realise that not everyone else will be similarly offended.

    • CommentAuthorgrp
    • CommentTimeAug 8th 2011
    Indeed, I meant a different stance than the one you just presented, Andrew. I appreciate your taking the time to make your position clear, and apologize for any harm that may result from what I said.

    I am not sure if providing counterpoint to sigfpe's initial remarks in this thread represent a tolerant treatment of his point of view, but I felt they needed to be said, and provided such. Of course, I observe his right/privilege to make those remarks, which is closer in spirit to your notion of tolerance, Andrew.

    Gerhard Paseman, 2011.08.08
    My mental image of Iyegar was always that he is a young man from Jammu or Kashmir, with little access to mathematical resources beyond the internet. Somebody who wants to hear stories as opposed to somebody who wants to write hard mathematical papers. I'm entertained that my mental image was not too far removed from the reality.
    I don't think that MO is designed to tell stories to enthusiasts. But I don't know which site is. What Iyegar needs is an expert in popularization- the kind of person who writes about Fermat's Theorem for enthusaists, to give him a compelling storyline and sequence of distilled watered-down punchlines. Maybe that's an important skill for mathematicians- I have a lot of sympathy for Iyegar's questions.
    I suppose he shouldn't really be on MO- but I do hope that a learned number theorist decides to tell him the stories he wants to hear- and then uploads them, or turns them into a book, for the benefit of the rest of us! There's an untapped market for mathematical enthusiasts, I think, and to some extent we are all just enthusiasts when hearing about work away from our research fields.
    By the way, I see the handle "trust god" and the "touch feet" comments as complete non-issues.
    • CommentAuthorWill Jagy
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
    Daniel, I wrote to Akhil Mathew, who says that Iyengar has not emailed him yet.

    @Will: Actually, he did yesterday, sometime after your email. I will send you another email shortly with more details (I've been somewhat distracted with other things as of late).

    • CommentAuthorWill Jagy
    • CommentTimeAug 9th 2011
    Thanks, Akhil.
    • CommentAuthorWill Jagy
    • CommentTimeAug 10th 2011
    possibilities for involvement in the mathematical world in India:

    those with reciprocity agreements with the AMS:

    Dues: U.S. $10, payable to Vijnana Parishad of India,
    D. V. Postgraduate College, Orai-285001, U.P., India.
    Apply to: R. C. Singh Chandel, Secretary, Vijnana
    Parishad of India, D. V. Postgraduate College, Orai-
    285001, U.P., India; email:

    see also
    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 11th 2011
    @will jagy:thanks a load for sharing valuable information with me,even mr.akhil is suggesting me some good things,
    thanks a lot sir,i am debt with you
    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 13th 2011
    sir the people with previous grudges are closing my questions deliberately without any reason ,see this question: ,and tell me whats problem in that
    I'm sure those voting to close your current question have very good reasons, though it would be nice if one of them would state one. My guess is that they reckon that math researchers already know what the absolute Galois group is, or know how to type it in to Google to see whether a definition comes up.
    • CommentAuthorGreg Marks
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2011
    I initially assumed that Iyegar's nom de plume was in the spirit of referring to, say, Fred Diamond as a number theory god.
    • CommentAuthorWill Jagy
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2011
    Greg, we never really found out. Akhil wrote to him, not much was learned.
    • CommentAuthorGreg Marks
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2011
    Not even whether "trust" was intended as an attributive noun? How peculiar.
    • CommentAuthorWill Jagy
    • CommentTimeAug 25th 2011
    He uses the name Iyengar on math.stackexchange. Well, he did.

    Well, he did try to lead some of us to enlightenment in various forms, religious, spiritual, philosophical and mathematical (you can see some of his efforts on all these fronts in this thread). So it was easy to read the word "trust" as an imperative form of the verb, rather than a noun. But anyway, I don't think we should reopen this discussion.

    • CommentAuthorvoloch
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011
    I was going to echo Alex's comment and ask this thread to be closed, but it looks like he is back:
    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011
    but i understood that these mathematics and physics are just the tools that one use to convert the enigmatic and random things in universe into a beautiful ordered things,that fit their logic,its just the process of revealing the enigma behind the things,
    and human being is not inventing any new things that are not present in the universe ,but just transforming the existing things into his language of equations

    and if human takes these many years just to understand the creation and nature,how much time still it takes to find new things,

    and what i observe is that people follow traditional methods,and think science to be ultimate,but there are many mysteries and innumerable open issues that always show the existence of the ultimate ,and many things that science even cant dare to explain,

    and once i reached that level,no comment hurts me,i am ready to accept any of your scoldings ,
    i consider each spell that anyone say against me as a blessing to me,
    • CommentAuthorMariano
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011 edited

    trustgod, please let's cut down on the poetry: neither this site, nor MO, are good places for that.

    With searching comes loss
    and the presence of absence.
    The <del>page</del> comment is not found.

    I agree with Mariano: these ruminations are out of place here. Iyengar, if you wish to philosophize on the internet, you can create your own blog for free -- go to Please don't do it here.

    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011
    @Todd trimble:ok sir ,i never do it again
    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011
    sir,but you see sir,my last question was good sir,but indeed they closed it,i dont know why??
    • CommentAuthorquid
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011

    I did not do anything negative to your question, but as somebody pointed out to you, it is an exact duplicate of an earlier question. So that it typically would at least be closed, no matter who asked it.

    • CommentAuthordke
    • CommentTimeAug 26th 2011
    The earlier question was here although there it's tagged on at the end of other questions. Maybe asking about the arithmetic significance of higher order coefficients of L-functions deserves its own question as it's certainly an interesting one...

    Dear trustgod,

    Please recall that you have been sent an email by the moderators which, amongst other things, said: "and so I would ask that you do not post again on the site". As such, the moderators will delete anything your account posts on the site. Please try

    yours sincerely, Scott Morrison

    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2011
    sir i beg anyone to repost my question,so that i can see them

    i dont know that there is already an existing question on it,but anyway there is no answer for that,
    My question was

    ""the $L$-function of the Elliptic curve has a Taylor Expansion at $s=1$
    where we have $L(E/\mathbb{Q},s)= C_{0}.(s-1)^r + C_{1}.(s-1)^{r+1} + C_{2}.(s-1)^{r+2} +..............$ where
    $r$ is the rank
    and $C_{0}$ is given by $$C_{0}= \lim_{s\mapsto1} \frac{L(E/\mathbb{Q},s)}{(s-1)^r} = \frac{|ะจ(E/\mathbb{Q})|.\Omega_{E}.Reg(E/\mathbb{Q}).\prod_{p} c_{p}}{|E_{torsion}(\mathbb{Q})|^2}$$

    what does the other terms i.e $C_1,C_2.....$ account for??,is there any formulation of them ,as there is a working formulation predicted by the conjecture

    i beg anyone,and i thank you a lot sir
    • CommentAuthorquid
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2011

    trustgod, there is some information at the end of Kevin Buzzard's answer to the question dke mentioned; also see a comment on that answer.

    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2011
    @quid:that is very vague and the sender himself says that he know little about it,i want a explanation,it was not clear,but i thank you for answering
    atleast a precise answer please
    • CommentAuthorquid
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2011

    Yes it is not detailed; but there are questions to which noone knows a precise answer; perhaps this is one of them. In any case, if somebody has something to say on this question s/he could answer the existing question. So, there simply seems no urgent need to create a new question.

    Something else: when I visited that question yesterday I saw two comments of you on Franz Lemmermeyer's answer there. Now, they are gone.

    • CommentAuthorEmerton
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2011

    Dear Trust God,

    I don't think that anyone on this site knows the answer to your question, and indeed it is quite possible that no number theorists at all know the answer. That is the reason that there is no answer forthcoming.


    Matthew Emerton

    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
    sir i am completely banned for months together,
    but everyone makes fun of me,but imagine yourself ,suppose you have a good zeal in mathematics,and good analytic skills and imagination,and if your personal problems,like economy,etc.. prevent you from joining in a institute ,and imagine you learn mathematics by yourself,and without a help of lecturer,then you surely understand the grief i face

    and thats why people feel reclusive,like take Sir Ramanujan,he did not have food to eat and was struggling hard to learn mathematics,and no one cared to help him,and told him that his work doesnt make any sense,and now world recognized him,gave his name to prizes,institutes,journals,and so on,what do they do him ,he is no more,what does it matter if someone keeps their name and celebrate their birthday after their death???,

    a real recognition to a person,is not by giving prizes and using as names as jargons and celebrating their birthdays ,but real recognition one can give,is at the time of building their career ,as one suffers hard at the time of building their career,and once he builds it,no other recognition is needed,

    but Pete L.clark ,todd trimble,and many more persons,i cant forget your help sir,even though i feel bad for leaving the ocean of knowledge,
    touching your feet,

    Iyengar: I can't speak for others, but I am not trying to make fun of you. I am trying, and have been trying, to suggest that you need to learn basic things before doing hard things. I am also trying to suggest that your "analytic skills" may not be sufficient to the lofty heights you keep asking about. Mathematics is cumulative, and wisdom is not always given by revelation.

    One might, perhaps, be more willing to help educate you, if you showed more willingness to be educated. If you cannot tell the difference between constructive criticism and "making fun" then I suggest you find somewhere else to pursue your interests. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    • CommentAuthormarkvs
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
    @trustgod: You may want to keep in mind that "advises" given to you in this meta thread are mostly coming from semi-literate people. Some of them wrongly think that the large number of points acquired by answering questions like "what kind of toothbrushes do mathematicians use most often?" means something in the real life. So you should not take it too hard. On the other hand trying to be calm and doing some research before asking questions would help both you and the MO community.

    "semi-literate people?" Are we not kulturny enough? My apologies. I still stand by my responses to trustgod, though.

    • CommentAuthormarkvs
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011
    @Yemon: I did not mention you specifically. But your behavior here is a behavior of a gang member, not of a civilized person. Why don't you see that it actually hurts you more than "trustgod"?
    • CommentAuthorMariano
    • CommentTimeSep 5th 2011

    Mark, if you are going to call people semi-literate, gang-member like and uncivilized, it would be best if you actually named who exactly you have in mind so as to avoid any confusion.

    • CommentAuthortrustgod
    • CommentTimeSep 6th 2011
    Mark Sapir sir ,thanks a lot sir,for your comments,and suggestions that you gave me,i surely follow them ,you gave me an inspiration ,i am in debt with you,
    but to add something,i also find people here are diverting the way,not answering the things correctly ,and so on,
    in order to prove my statement,there was a question by me previously,and i took many efforts to study english and how to write,
    and i finished TeXing and posted the question,and i was eagerly waiting for answer,and when i refreshed the site,it showed that i have got 3 responses
    i clicked it to see what were they actually,
    do you know sir,what are they???
    i asked something related to pure mathematics,but there was comments about my moniker "trust god" ,and people went on discussing about the moniker that i must not keep it and so on ,
    and when i ask something which is purely related to mathematics ,people close it off with a comment "OFF TOPIC",but if the persons who closed my questions had a conscience ,they can think whether my questions which are related to mathematics are off topic or the comments which are posted about my moniker "trust god " are off topic,

    but you see the above statement is enough to say that people are not doing their duty properly,
    if they are really concerned about the MO and are sincere in closing the questions which are off topic then they must have surely identified the comments that are purely unrelated ,and why do the people bother about my moniker and comment about it in the Question i asked,which was related to mathematics,

    and what bothers them if i keep the moniker trust god,but to argue i always say even the greatest minds like Sir Newton,Sir Einstein,sir Poincare,sir Euler believed the existence of super power that controlled everything ,i.e cosmic energy,which is referred to as god,i think people who commented about my name dont stand atleast 0.00000000000000000001% of their knowledge and IQ and their mathematical analysis,
    why should i listen to their unrealized words and their views about God and their advices to me about god ,if the extraordinary persons,and geniuses said that God exists ??

    and i analyzed that every time they pushed me down ,i got still inspired to achieve something ,i just want everyone who criticized me to analyze a simple thing
    "imagine you just completed your 12th class where you were taught about elementary mathematics,
    then can you understand what is tate-shafarevich group,what are complex things like hodge theory and so on,"

    if i am talking about such things,may be the things i ask may or may not make sense,but you must appreciate my interest in learning mathematics,and my hardwork in understanding the things,
    and i followed the advice not to ask the advanced things and i am learning basic mathematics,

    and one must realize that if anyone contradict the existence of supreme being,its just their mere foolishness,as these sciences are not ultimate,neither they are successful in explaining mysteries,and one must realize that ,i always say these sciences are just the mere transformation of the things and phenomenons of nature into our language of equation and logic,man always remain as an imitator,imitator of the nature ,and if we are trying these many years just to understand the things,imagine how many years we take to invent anything new,

    i am only 20 year old,and i may be small before great persons like in this MO,

    but i always have observed that persons who are having great experience and great knowledge,like to say "pete L.clark, Mark sapir,Todd trimble,David speyer,Franz lemmermeyer have always concentrated purely to help me,but not on these monikers and other things,its only the persons who dont have worth in them,commented about the monikers,in order to count them as a persons who also contributed something,its just like answering for answering sake

    and infact the point Mr.Mark sapir said was 100% right ,that statement "Some of them wrongly think that the large number of points acquired by answering questions like "what kind of toothbrushes do mathematicians use most often?" means something in the real life",i like the most

    but one must not forget that every body have their own perspective and view about mathematics and life,and life is a set of compromise ,and one must realize that harmony exists when every person respects the other views ,

    and its easy to criticize others,but most difficult thing to encounter the criticism ,i say i remember the proverb,do onto others what you like to be done to you,
    imagine yourself to be targeted ,its easy to discourage everyone ,but its difficult to encourage others as it requires a lot of ethical concern,as the mind always tries to discourage others, its only the quality of good people to encourage others,and that comes by birth ,not everyone belong to such category,
    anyway thanks a lot sir,
    infinitely many thanks to the persons who helped me
    touching your feet,

    Let's all go outside for a breath of fresh air. I'll close this thread now, but of course anyone should feel free to start a new one as they desire.